9/11 over 3,000 dead ...my thoughts are with them.

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On the morning of September 11 I watched aircraft flying overhead. Minutes later I heard explosions and saw fireballs of smoke fill the sky. As a result of these attacks thousands died, including two good friends.
I am not writing about September 11 2001 in New York City. I am writing about another September 11 - an equally horrible one - in 1973. The planes I saw were warplanes and their target was the presidential palace in Santiago, Chile.
On September 11 1973 Salvador Allende resided in the Chilean presidential palace. He was the first freely elected socialist leader in the world, and ever since his victory in September 1970, the CIA and the US government, headed by Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger, were determined to oust Allende and his Popular Unity coalition.

It was on September 11 1973 that they succeeded. Led by General Augusto Pinochet, the Chilean military overthrew Allende, who died in the presidential palace. More than 3,000 people perished in the bloody repression that followed under Pinochet's rule, including two American friends of mine, Charles Horman and Frank Terrugi.

this led to hundreds being rounded up and herded into football stadiums where they were executed by firing squad. thankyou america for your anti democracy stances around the world and your death squads.

In Central America, Reagan called thousands of former soldiers of Somoza's national guard "freedom fighters" as they fought the Sandinista government in Nicaragua. And when the Sandinistas went to the world court to press charges against the US for sending special operatives to bomb its port in Corinto, Reagan withdrew from the court, refusing to acknowledge the rule of international law.

the inocent that died in new york have their evil anti democracy leaders to thank.

[ShyBoy]

you have a point there...

But what would the world be like without stupid anti-democracy rights people etc? Would it become instable because of a lack of rigidity somewhere? Or just a haven for all?

I confuse myself. I never knew about the Chilean stuff thanks for telling me that's

Still my feelings are with the innocent who perished on september 11th 2 years ago; at no fault of their own.

[Namaste]

My thoughts are also with the thousands of children who died due to sanctions on Iraq.

[Dear Wendy]

Originally posted by MoonRat
My thoughts are also with the thousands of children who died due to sanctions on Iraq.

Yes, but this thread was dedicated to the Chilean population who got tortured in the worst possible ways. Reason for this thread (I guess) is cause it's a mark date today. Exactly 30 years ago since Pinochet gained power from Allende.

Btw, MR, I'd appericiate it, if you wouldn't drag victims from the 11th of Sept in NY into this. There's a time and place for showing dislike to a government, and I really don't think that's the case when memorising the victims.
Other case with Chile as the states gave their support to Pinochet cause of their fear of Communism.

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Originally posted by MoonRat
My thoughts are also with the thousands of children who died due to sanctions on Iraq.

an estimate of half a million kids dead or dying thanks to bush senior refusing to alow even basic medicines such as friggin aspirin into iraq! bush senior was a terrorist of the greatest magnitude. they do say ...like father like son.

how about remembering the untold hundreds of thousands of innocent dead civilians in afghanistan and iraq ...slaughterd by the most ferocious of weapons of mass destruction... i hope their deaths are as important to you all.

[Shogun]

mroll;this is the right attitude, america have carried out many deaths all around the world and you never hear much about them,do you, everyone seems concerned with america. I don't think all them innocent people in New York should have died, i don't support that, now what if the president had have got hit first in the white house, all this fiasco wouldn't have happened, there would be no more dead bodies in afghanistan and iraq because of Bush and his anti-terror war. People have got to realise that there are more countries, more war torn nations, more starving children in countries around the world...america again.

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Originally posted by Jacqueline the Ripper

Btw, MR, I'd appericiate it, if you wouldn't drag victims from the 11th of Sept in NY into this. There's a time and place for showing dislike to a government, and I really don't think that's the case when memorising the victims.
Other case with Chile as the states gave their support to Pinochet cause of their fear of Communism.

just trying to get a balance here ...the other people need remembering as well ...not just those from the afluent world and it also helps put into perspective why so many inocent people died in new york ...beause of the evil acts of terror the americans carry out. no good just lighting candles is it. talking about why is more effective.


*the states gave their support to Pinochet cause of their fear of Communism. *
wrong ...they did not give support...they started the whole process .. they were out raged that a democracticaly elected government ...a long way from north america ...turned out to be a socialist one ...not comunist ...and here was me thinking democracy was where people voted in a party of their choice ...but only if america agree with that choice.

and 9/11 is a very good time to air some grievances. many american families who lost loved ones are doing just that ...today.

[Namaste]

Btw, MR, I'd appericiate it, if you wouldn't drag victims from the 11th of Sept in NY into this. There's a time and place for showing dislike to a government, and I really don't think that's the case when memorising the victims.

I don't mean to drag anybody down, but at times like this people only remember those in the West who have died, seemingly disreguarding other people dying all over the world and those who have died.

It just annoys me how people don't seem to reguard these people as so important. And I don't have a problem with the people of the incident, they're as human as anybody.

[Dear Wendy]

I am fully aware of the fact that others have been caused grief, but it doesn't do anyone's memory any good to include the government bashing in the same thread. I really don't think it's appropriate.

MR, Americans were afraid of communism gaining control in their own country, and for them Socialism is not very different from that.

[Namaste]

Well I'm not bringing the country in to it, simply making a point. If you don't live the same way we do you get forgotten. I don't have any real problem with the government, but it's funny how we forget the millions in favour of the thousands.

[girl with sharp teeth]

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[Namaste]

Yup. No government's perfect.

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Originally posted by Jacqueline the Ripper
I am fully aware of the fact that others have been caused grief, but it doesn't do anyone's memory any good to include the government bashing in the same thread. I really don't think it's appropriate.

MR, Americans were afraid of communism gaining control in their own country, and for them Socialism is not very different from that.

there are people in america this very day of rememberance who are protesting and demanding certain truths from their government ...having lost loved ones. for them this is a day when they will not go unnoticed. they are not expecting everyone to remain silent or forget certain truths today becuase they lost loved ones ...they are doing the opposite in fact. some will stay quiet and light a candle and shged some tears ...nothing wrong with that but not everyone wants it that way jacq.

*MR, Americans were afraid of communism gaining control in their own country, and for them Socialism is not very different from that. *

so if america gets scared or missunderstands its ok to send in the bombers and the death squads? what your saying is america hate democracy ...the will of the people in another country must match the will of the people in america ...or you get herded into the football stadiums of death!

[Dear Wendy]

America has and are making mistakes. They know that. And we do.

I just thought that this was a thread in memory of the Chilean people who were hurt during Pinochet's government. That's all.

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Originally posted by Jacqueline the Ripper

I just thought that this was a thread in memory of the Chilean people who were hurt during Pinochet's government.

instigated by america ...
a thread in memory of all the millions america have ilegaly and imoraly killed ...to get some balance. the death of inocent people is always sad but why do people who die in america desrve more respect, more sympathy, more airtime than the millions of others elswhere in the world?