The 'war on terror' is going well then

[budda]

Apparently we are now the number one target for AQ and other groups, nice to see that what ever we've done since 11th of September and the 7th July is working well.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6065460.stm

Any ideas?

[Kermit]

It's not really too much of a surprise, Britain has a large Muslim population and so it is relatively easy to infiltrate a community that thinks it is owed something.

[Yerascrote]

Originally Posted by budda

Any ideas?

Removing the army from Iraq would be a start.
Improving relations with the Muslim community would be another, though saying that, they have to be willing to talk also which they quite clearly are not at the moment.

[Aladdin]

Originally Posted by Kermit

It's not really too much of a surprise, Britain has a large Muslim population and so it is relatively easy to infiltrate a community that thinks it is owed something.

That job is made a lot easier by a government that has embarked in an illegal war that has cost the lives of hundreds of thousands and that has also abandoned Britain's historic moderation and neutrality in the Middle East conflict in favour of blind support of the actions of Israel, no matter how murderous and dastardly they are.

[Thunderstruck]

Originally Posted by Yerascrote

Improving relations with the Muslim community would be another

Yeah Blair and Jack Straw are doing a great job of that recently...

[Yerascrote]

Originally Posted by Thunderstruck

Yeah Blair and Jack Straw are doing a great job of that recently...

I don't think it's got anything to do with Blair and Straw. I'm talking about grass root relations, how many people do you know have a wide range of multi ethnic friends? The ole "Oh I have a black/asian friend" is a little bit outdated, they live in their world and we live in ours. Simple as.

[Aladdin]

I must say at the moment I do not know any black people I would say I'm friends with (though I'm on friendly terms with a couple of chaps I've met through a common friend, we've just only met twice so don't know each other enough to be friends) but I have several Asian friends as well as Muslims and Arabs.

I should say that most of the Muslims I call my friends drink like fishes and the women amongst them wear Western clothes. I cannot say I really have any friends amongst the more conservative/religious branch of Muslims, but then I could say exactly the same of conservative/religious white native Christians.

Some people from a certain background/race/religion keep themselves to themselves, and some others, while having perhaps a majority of friends amongst their own circle, mingle with others and have friends from other backgrounds.

[Disillusioned]

Ban religious paraphernalia in state schools. Strictly regulate government funding of religious groups. Rigorously enforce laws on the incitement of violence. Extend security service infiltration of the Muslim community. Deport foreign born preachers of hate. Ban foreign citizens known to preach violence and hatred from visiting Britain.

[Fiend_85]

We must have been starting to calm down. I forget that it's really important to keep us nice and afraid.

[Teh_Gerbil]

War Of Terror tbh.

Its going as well as an Army fighting a Guerilla war can be expected to go. Poorly.

[wheresmyplacebo]

Originally Posted by Teh_Gerbil

War Of Terror tbh.

Its going as well as an Army fighting a Guerilla war can be expected to go. Poorly.

actually if it's a war on good english, it's very well won with terms like 'extraordinary rendition' and 'war on terror'

it's also a very good war on people's basic freedoms


both 'sides' like it at the moment, the actual violent people get willing recruits, and the governments get extra powers, the only people who get hurt are those in the middle like us, and those poor people in Iraq - yes most people in america honestly believe saddam hussein was partially behind 9-11


frankly i just wish the idiots who run the show and who listen to both sides would kill eachother, then we'd be alright for a while

[Disillusioned]

Originally Posted by Aladdin

That job is made a lot easier by a government that has embarked in an illegal war

Of everybody I have spoken to regarding the war I cannot recall anybody more supportive of it than a devoutly Muslim Iraqi at my old school who came to Britain as a refugee. I haven't spoken to him since he left for uni so I don't know if he has changed his mind but he claimed that most Iraqis in Britain supported the war.

Originally Posted by Aladdin

abandoned Britain's historic moderation and neutrality in the Middle East conflict in favour of blind support of the actions of Israel, no matter how murderous and dastardly they are.

That isn't true. At the UN Britain has sometimes sided with the EU against Israel. And by being part of the EU which has even funded terrorism against Israel I don't think Britain is a particularly strong supporter of Israel.

But, as Liam Fox told Conservative Friends of Israel -

The United Kingdom will always be a supporter of Israel. It is our friend and it is our ally. It is of enormous importance to regional security and regional prosperity. I am sad that our current government doesn’t put it high enough up the agenda but I can assure you that when the Conservatives return to office we shall remember who our friends are.
(speech to CFI reception, 3 November 2005)

Anyway Israel is an obsession of the European left more than anything. Kashmir and US troops in Saudi Arabia are [generally] bigger gripes for Muslims.

[Aladdin]

Originally Posted by Disillusioned

Of everybody I have spoken to regarding the war I cannot recall anybody more supportive of it than a devoutly Muslim Iraqi at my old school who came to Britain as a refugee. I haven't spoken to him since he left for uni so I don't know if he has changed his mind but he claimed that most Iraqis in Britain supported the war.

Most people in Britain are against the war. I don't know if any polls have been carried out amongst Muslims but I'm willing to bet the support for the war amongst them is at the very very most, 15%.

That isn't true. At the UN Britain has sometimes sided with the EU against Israel. And by being part of the EU which has even funded terrorism against Israel I don't think Britain is a particularly strong supporter of Israel.

LOL. If by 'against Israel' you mean condemning murder, collective punishment and appalling abuse of an entire people, then yes, Britain is guilty as charged .

They are also 'against Palestine' incidentally, having condemned Palestinian atrocities just as often as Israeli ones.

It's no longer balanced anyway. Since Blair came into power we have swtiched to the 'Israel can do no wrong' policy favoured by our masters in Washington DC.

Anyway Israel is an obsession of the European left more than anything. Kashmir and US troops in Saudi Arabia are [generally] bigger gripes for Muslims.

You think?

You haven't spoken to many Muslims have you?

[Fiend_85]

Judge's human rights concerns here

[TheSovereign]

i like muslims. muslims like me, we can be effective and no political diagnosis of difference would stand between that bond. this world will grow and be great.